Leadership Inexperience to Blame for Protracted South Sudan Conflict, Catholic Bishop Says, Downplays Ethnicity Factor
CANAA || Fr. Don Bosco Onyalla || 23 March 2015
A South Sudanese Catholic Bishops has blamed inexperience on the part of South Sudanese leadership and the embryonic institutions for the protracted South Sudan violent conflict and downplayed the factor of ethnicity in the 15-month political stalemate.
Violent conflict in the world’s newest country erupted in December 2013 resulting from political in-fighting between South Sudan's President Salva Kiir and his former Vice-President, Riek Machar and their respective factions. Since then, thousands have been killed, millions uprooted from their homes and several millions exposed to hunger and disease risks.
The warring parties have been engaged in peace talks led by the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD) aimed at bringing about a definitive end to the conflict.
In an exclusive interview with CANAA in Nairobi on Monday, Bishop Rudolf Deng Majak of the Catholic diocese Wau argues that “at the level of leadership, it is the first time in the history of the people of South Sudan that they have a parliament of their own (and) a sovereign government with an executive” and that “these are huge responsibilities that take time to mature and to develop in order to have a peaceful, stable, and prosperous community.”
Bishop Deng has heard about the proposal to have President Salva Kiir and the rebel leader Riak Machar step aside for a new team of leaders and terms this “too lofty an idea, with no feet on the ground.”
Bishop Deng who hails from the Dinka ethnic community, the largest single tribe in South Sudan, downplays ethnicity factor in the South Sudan conflict saying, “claims of ethnicity are too simplistic and offensive to people who come from the area.”
Below is the full text of the interview with Bishop Rudolf Deng Majak of the Catholic Diocese of Wau, South Sudan.
CANAA: Your Lordship, welcome to this interview and thank you for availing yourself to CANAA, a continental news service in its infancy.
Bishop Deng: It is a privilege to be able to reach out to our brothers and sisters on the continent of Africa and share with them the insights that I have as someone who is announcing the gospel, the Good News of peace and reconciliation, justice, and love and forgiveness, so that they know something from a brother who is living there in the place. They can help with their prayers and solidarity.
CANAA: South Sudan has been in the news for the last several months for the wrong reason, just after a couple of years of independence, which put the country on the global map as a new nation with great potential. Why, in your view, is this conflict taking too long to resolve?
Bishop Deng: It is a bit baffling even to us who are on the scene why it is taking so long; the issues to us, up to a certain point, are clear. There is great inexperience and we are able to understand this inexperience: the first time in the history of the people of South Sudan to have a government of their own as a sovereign nation. And most of the communities (South Sudan) consider themselves still (to) belong to their villages, to their clans, to their tribes; a sense of nationhood has got to be built.
I am a student of history, although I specialized in Church history many years ago. But Church history is about the history of peoples and communities who have chosen to belong to Christ, so we understand (history) in the light of Christ. And in South Sudan, we understand that where Christianity is deep, humanity is also deep. It is because people get the light of the Gospel and they are able to deepen their relationships and they are able to conduct themselves in a more cohesive and more coherent way. Am not saying Christians are the best members but (Christianity) gives us the opportunity to know Christ and to belong to him, giving a perspective that is a lot more healthy and a lot more universal, having chosen to follow the one who called himself the way, the truth, and the life.
CANAA: When you speak about inexperience as the reason behind the protracted conflict in South Sudan, is it in reference to institutions being embryonic, the leadership of these institutions as lacking in experience, the government leadership lacking in vision? Kindly qualify this inexperience factor.
Bishop Deng: It is all that. But immediately, I have to say that the communities (South Sudan) have never had the opportunity to live together as a nation. It is the first time we are beginning to have this sense (of a nation). Yes, it is true we have suffered together. But that is about it. It hasn’t gone to the deeper level of formation. That takes time. So, at the level of the community, at the level of leadership, it is the first time in the history of the people of South Sudan that they have a parliament of their own, a sovereign government with an executive, a military. And these are huge responsibilities that take time to mature and to develop in order to have a peaceful, stable, and prosperous community.
CANAA: It is common knowledge that this conflict has, on one side, Salva Kiir, duly elected by the people of South Sudan as the first President of the republic, and on the other side, Riek Machar, who was the first Vice President of the republic. There are those who have said that if these two leaders would step aside, this would ease tensions in the country and make easier the process towards lasting peace. What is your take with regard to this school of thought?
Bishop Deng: People are free of course to express themselves. I have also heard about it. And I say it is too lofty an idea, with no feet on the ground. An elected President, it is not easy to tell him please step down. Remember Dr. Machar was Deputy for many years. He ran the South when Sudan was one, and he was the Vice President. He had all the powers to organize the people, to sensitive the people for nearly six years. I think he felt good about it. I would like to think that he learned some experience of good governance; it is not something that comes automatically of course with a doctorate from the university; you have to go about it in a more complicated way consulting with the people, being people-focused, being people-centered, (and) having a sense of accountability.
When the conflict broke out, I knew that none of them (Salva Kiir and Riek Machar) has the truth in their pockets. They are both to blame. There is this inexperience, corruption, lack of accountability, a sense of frugality, a sense of thriftiness, a sense of poverty because people are just coming out from the ashes and the dust of the destruction of the civil war, all that has to be kept together.
President Salva Kiir as a person is a very godly person, but he is surrounded by people who like a lot of money, they like to enjoy good life, good food, and of course this is distasteful, not only to Dr. Riek who, incidentally, not everybody agrees with what he is saying because when he had the opportunity, he did exactly what he is accusing the present regime of doing, in order that he may have the chance to come back and do the same. There is a lot of opinion, very strong opinion that these people are just causing destruction for nothing.
CANAA: People have talked about the ethnic dimension to this conflict. Some have even argued that negative ethnicity has been behind the prolonging of the conflict. Is this accurate, in your view?
Bishop Deng: No, no, it is not. I come from a village which is neighbouring the Nuer community. I was born south of Western Nuer. And as children, we used to mix with the Nuer children. I am a Dinka. And we used to go to the Nuer. We established friendships and intermarriages. Claims of ethnicity are too simplistic and offensive to people who come from the area like me. Many times, African conflicts are reduced to clans, tribes. It is not as simple as that.
This conflict is about inexperience. There is a lot of inexperience in leadership. And leadership is not given on the paper. It is something acquired. There is inexperience in governance, and people have to learn about it and go about it in this clumsy way, with ups and downs, make their mistakes, and the hope is that people will learn from their mistakes.
There is also the aspect of resources and power in order to access the resources. I have not heard this from Dr. Riek, but I have heard people say that the Dinka are accumulating wealth. It is not really as simple as that. You will get people from the Nuer community who are making a lot of wealth and people from the Nuer community who are just rotting away.
No, it is more than that. It is a sense of accountability, a sense of fairness, and fair distribution of wealth, taking care of the poor, offering services, opening up health centres, roads, education, getting the food production going so that the prices of food in the market come down and people are able to access enough food to keep them going.
No, it is not as simple as that, that when the leadership of South (Sudan) will be in the hands of the Nuer, it will be better off, I don’t think for one moment of that. No! It is a lot more than that.
CANAA: You have called on the international community to intervene in this conflict. This is already happening with IGAD arbitrating the peace talks. In addition, early this month, the United Nations Security Council unanimously adopted a resolution toward imposing sanctions on persons known to be responsible for, complicit in, or engaged directly or indirectly in blocking peace in South Sudan. These sanctions would include travel bans and an assets freeze on individuals and even entities. Do you approve of this move?
Bishop Deng: No! I don’t think it will help. They (candidates to be sanctioned) will just continue to amass wealth in their own way. You may freeze (their assets) but they will create other ways (of getting assets). They are very resourceful and they will find ways of building up wealth.
Yes, it may give a sense that the UN is serious, but it is not helping the common man. The common man will just rot away in this process of freezing assets, and the cronies and the friends of these big groups will continue to survive, the lot of the common man will be worse than what it is now.
CANAA: As a Church leader in South Sudan, actively involved in preaching the Good News, do you see signs of hope in the republic of South Sudan that you can speak about?
Bishop Deng: Yes, there are. I know of a lot of good people, very conscientious people, people who are fully aware of what is going on in terms of the negatives, but people who also know that there is a lot of good will that can be captured across the board, from Western Equatoria to Eastern Equatoria to Central Equatoria to Upper Nile to Greater Bahr El Ghazal, there is a lot of good will of people who would like to come together if they are given an opportunity and prove to some of the international people that something good can come out of South Sudan if only an opportunity is offered.
Nearly forty, fifty years of warfare, it is true that it has produced very corrupt leaders, but it is also true that it has produced wonderful personalities in terms of sacrifice and what needs to be done to pull together in order to get people out of this quagmire.
It is not all doom and gloom. There is a bit of that. But there is also a lot of good will that we know. If only given the opportunity, it will come to the fore and it will make a difference.
CANAA: Thank you for sharing these perspectives. What would be your parting message?
Bishop Deng: My last message is that there is hope. I started my school way back in 1951 when the British were still in South Sudan. So I have grown through it all. I have seen it all. Some of my best friends are not from Bahr El Ghazal, they are not from Wau, they are not from the Dinka ethnic community. It has been a wonderful opportunity to grow in this huge rainbow of communities, different ethnicities; so much wealth there is in terms of ideas and in terms of cooperation. No one should lose heart. There is a way forward. We should all pray and prepare that the first opportunity that will be given we are able to choose the people who will go and do a lot better work than what we are witnessing now. Thank you for this opportunity.